Are we living in the last days?
Written by Nov 25, 2005, 9:34 am
4 Comments • Related Topics: end times, theology
I’ve been really bothered by something I’ve been listening to or reading time and time again in the Body of Christ. This entry is a reflection if the thing disturbing me on some level.
I knew I had notes lying around from Dr. Michael Brown’s revival history class when I was in Bible school, but due to the nature of me moving to Holland for six months, it is in a box somewhere in my parents’ attic. So I knew he taught on it in one of the revival messages I’ve got on my copy of the Brownsville Revival Sermon Archive (if you don’t have it, it would be so worth the $20 or so to order one—there’s 88 messages on it and many of them are powerful). So I sat down one night recently, put it on, took some notes, and now I am translating those notes into a user friendly blog entry for anyone else who wants to kill this sacred cow that is rampant in evangelical rapture-awaiting circles.
Are we really living in the last days?
I hear this preached on and blogged on over and over again, and used to defend why current events are taking place in the world around us. I’m going to write this blog in two waves, the first on if we’re living in the last days, and the second entry I’ll show you why we’re NOT in the “Laodecian church age” which there is no such thing as. As usual, emphasis in the Scripture references is my own.
As far as end times are concerned we’ve been living in the last days for over 2000 years; the promises and warnings that were given to Christian believers back then are just as relevant now as back then:
Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. (Hebrews 1:1-2)
If we understand that this was written in the first century, we know and understand they were living ‘in the last days’ then.
Speaking of Jesus, Peter says He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was (past tense) made manifest in the last times for your sake, who through him are believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. (1 Peter 1:20-21)
At the same time, it is a new commandment that I am writing to you, which is true in him and in you, because the darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining.
Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. (1 John 2:8, 18)
Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on whom the end of the ages has come. (1 Corinthians 10:11)
“And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions. Even on the male and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit. “And I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the LORD comes. (Joel 2:28-31)
But now notice how Peter changes what Joel said when quoting this in Acts to the people gathered around at Pentecost: But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel: “‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams” (Acts 2:17-18)
Peter changed what Joel said from “after this” and applied to those listening (and us now as far as his speech from the upper room that day in context goes) saying these are the prophesied last days, “and what you see going on is evidence of it”. Let’s take another text, and read things in context, ask ourselves some questions based on the text and see if things add up to what we’ve always been taught, and oh yeah—let’s not forget to use logic in reading this as well:
But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth. (2 Timothy 3:1-7)
Do you really think Paul is warning Timothy about something that will happen 1900 years after he’s died? What sense would it make if he were?
Do you think there’s been people like this description all throughout history or just in our current generation?
Paul is not telling Timothy about something that will happen 2000 years later—this is practical counsel that applied to Timothy, and has application for us also, but is not talking about the specific last generation.
And if anyone would like to comment without fear that I will attack them for their opinions, feel free to tell me this: how
do we know for sure if we’re the last generation or not? Would other Bible-believing and God-fearing people in generations before us have thought they too might have been the last of the last days of church history on earth?
This question also leads into my next entry, The Laodicean Church Age Misconception, on why the 7 churches of Revelation chapters 2 and 3 are to be read like John is writing to churches—and in no way is there reason to interpret them as “church ages” and that we are in the last one based on that text and line of interpretation.
Thanks for reading, let’s give some thought to things we believe in the Body of Christ and why, and kill the sacred cows that we keep alive for no good reason.
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November 25th 2005 on 2:51 pm
…some thought to things we believe in the Body of Christ… Well, that won’t take long! If there was a real person behind the Jesus Christ myth, his body rotted long ago, so not much to believe in there! Should we name off the bones in the human body? {yawn} I find the continued human emotional desire for the supernatural, obviously alive and well in the 21st century, to be a sad statement on humanity, and proof (as if any were needed) that we really are just base animals with little separating us from dogs and rats. Of course we’re not in the End Times/Lsat Days, because there is no such thing, other than the universe reaching maximum entropy, which is inestimably far in the future.
November 25th 2005 on 3:31 pm
Thanks “anonymous”, but I wasn’t talking about a physical “body” of Christ. If there were a physical body to rot, then your argument would hold water. ‘Body’ being a term coined through-out the New Testament many times — Christ being the “head”, and his Church being the body, so to requote myself in essence, I meant to say …”…some thought to things WE believe (as members of ) the Body of Christ…”
Otherwise, I know Him personally BECAUSE He is alive. The physical body wasn’t in the tomb, remember the story?
Sign your name next time, it doesn’t take a lot of guts to write bold comments anonymously.
November 26th 2005 on 7:46 pm
We’re most definetly in the last days. Love your blog and the scriptural quotes. I guess if I was more spiritual at the moment I would continue reading on. You know it’s hard to stay on the right side of things when the going gets tough
November 27th 2005 on 12:50 am
Steve,
Overall, yes, we have always been in teh last days, since the incarnation, as you well pointed out with scripture. I would say that I think that now a nation was born in a day (Israel) I do bleive that “this” genreation will live to see the Lord’s return. Now, do I interpret it to be how the “Left Behind” series paints it? Not really. It will be far worse, and far more deceptive. For one thing I definitely don’t think people will simply vanish in a rapture as they describe as Jesus clearly says in Mathews when asked how they will know when these things (describing the rapture happen) “where the dead are, there the vultures will gather”. To me, that says that those taken up will do so spiritually but not in body–thir bodeis will die and thus the reference to the vultures who gather around dead (not ‘disappeared’) flesh.
now, OK, you’re not even talking about the the “Left Behind” series, I know, but for thsoe reading this, I wanted to clarify some points on it.
Actaully, I am not even so convinced there is a rapture anyway or a “secret” coming of Christ. However, I really do think that as God made an everlasting convenant with Israel (the actual Jewish people, not the Church) only) we have to look at this period with Israel being reformed as very siginificant to all others as other OT prophecies refer to an end time gatherin gof the Jews from the North and all over back to their land just as we are seeing, adn the likes of which have nver been seen before–antoehr thign that seprates this time form others. Of course, none of us can know the day or hour but we are given sign of the “season” for which to look.
Also, there is that prophecy abou the fact that when the end comes if God didn’t intervene the whole world would be destroyed as man would destroy themselves–antoehr thing not possible physically before teh nuclear option and the 20th century. It does seem like the likelihood for certain prophecies to be fulfilled literally is more upon us now in this modern era than it was ever possible centureis before. As i tend to tanslate the Word literally unless it is obbviously calling for an image of things, then I see prophecies like everyone having to take the mark of the beast on hand or forehead, without which they won’t be able to sell or trade, as practically only possibel now. If this isn;t the very end of the end, I think we are getting into the november of the end time calendar, so to speak. Maybe we have another 100 or 200 years, but nothing compared to the already 2000 years since the birth of the church. So, yes, I thin kwe are more right on in saying this is the end, in on
e sense, then any christians before. In the overall picture, with the victory at the cross and Satan alreadyt defeated, in that sense the end is already done, so very much the very end of thigns! Ahh, how wodnerfully, convuluted that sounds!! ARgh.
Thanks for some very meaty entries as of late. Enjoying them, especially the scriptural references.
–”d”.