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Dream Big

I’m just chilling in North Carolina at the time of writing this. I’ve mentioned previously that I’m here for a missions conference and an alumni reunion for the Bible school I attended. The theme for the reunion event was Restoration. For the last few weeks God has done a work in my heart and removed some things/issues in my life, and days before I left Holland I could tell the difference, but I was still looking forward to what God would do in my life as a result of going to the conference.

I can count on my hand how many times in my life the Lord has given me potent dreams that were penned by Him. This week, I have had one every single night. Sometimes more than one per night. I don’t mean ones where we don’t remember them later, but the ones so strong you can’t forget. Sometimes dreams are just simply your own spirit conjuring up images of things on your mind or heart and putting them before you in a dream. Other times it’s the devil trying to throw you off, other times the Lord does speak to you through your dreams as one of the many ways He communicates with your spirit. Other times, it’s just your own flesh (mind and emotions). For example, if you are infatuated with a member of the opposite gender, and keep having dreams about them, it probably isn’t God or the devil speaking to you, but your own desires manifesting in dream form, just for clarification.

But I’ve had these dreams every night that are ripe with symbolism. One in particular sticks out, and I think it benefits anyone who wants to hear my thoughts–you wouldn’t be reading this if you didn’t, right?

So the other night, I had this dream that I was back in Holland, with a bunch of Christians, as well as Pyter Boomsma on some kind of tour boat going through one of the canals characteristic of the Netherlands. It was not clear to me where it was. This girl was put on a seat in the back, and started shaking and convulsing, frothing at the mouth, eyes rolling around back in her head and just shaking and manifesting a demon, or many. I mean, in the dream, this girl was messed up! I started to look around to see the reactions of the other Christians around me, and they all had an attitude that this girl was far gone and nothing could be done for her. Others present had tried doing things and praying things for her release from these demons, to no avail, and were now looking at me and Pyter as naïve young arrogant men for thinking we could. Our youthful zeal about setting this woman free was repulsive even to those around us who had seen no fruit from their own labors.

So Pyter and I began praying in the Spirit; we were commanding and rebuking spirits in her and seeing her react violently to it, and then calming down somewhat moments later. But we had a battle ahead of us and spent considerable time praying for her and doing warfare over her soul and spirit. All the while, the Christians around us are shouting and yelling things to discourage us, and saying we’ll never accomplish anything, or that they’ve tried this and it didn’t work, who do we think we are if they couldn’t do it, and stuff like that.

We ignored them.

As a side note, I’ve already been around enough years in my short lived life as a Christian to know the biggest obstacles to doing great exploits for God are other Christians in your life who don’t want to believe for big things themselves. When you meet people like that in your life, bless them, but ignore them. They will always try to put out your fire as a result of their discouragement and failures or lack of ambitions for their own life. Cling to those who’ve gone before you with success.

We were laboring in prayer and warfare and just praying in the Spirit for a while (in the dream), and we were seeing gradual result, one thing going to normal after another in this girl. Then finally, I was almost tired and ready to give up, the words of the other people on the boat really getting to me and causing me discouragement. I tell Pyter I’ve done my best, and that God is happy with our effort. He looks at me and gets this determined look on his face and says “but she’s not free”. He insists on trying one more thing; he proceeds to stand straight and closes his eyes and speaks a word of knowledge about something in this woman’s life, and rebukes a specific demonic spirit by name, and immediately she calms down and sits still in her right mind.

After all that time, there was something specific to deal with that if we had paid attention to the Lord’s prompting, we could have dealt with it head on in the first place and saved ourselves all the bother we spent in prayer. When the rest of those Christians on this boat with us realized what happened, many of them started to applaud and cheer us on, encouraging us with words like “we knew you could do it, we had faith in you, good job” which was the opposite—they had been trying to discourage us from trying! But now that we succeeded in this girl’s life where they had failed, they were happy for us.

The night after this dream, I went to the healing team ministry’s meeting at some FIRE students’ house. As the students go out to malls and streets looking for people to pray over for healing, they meet first for some prayer, worship and practical teaching. This week a sister shared about operating in the prophetic and with words of knowledge and told how sometimes God gives dreams and then you go find people in real life who fit the description. For example, she shared about having a dream or something about a purple jacket, and going out witnessing and meeting a woman wearing a purple jacket in the middle of summer. After asking her about why she was wearing it the woman told her she had some condition, and she felt cold, even in this heat, so this sister and her friends prayed for her and she was totally free and healed and other obvious symptoms of her illness disappeared right away. She shared such examples like that about what the Lord could do with our dreams.

So obviously this stirred me up to wonder if Pyter (who was there) and I might possibly run into someone who met the conditions of my dream. I shared it with him, and it encouraged him and we both desired to see something like this in real life. I’d love to tell you we did, but it didn’t happen. In fact, I didn’t hear of any testimonies of radical healing. The only person I got to talk with, was from ordering a slice of pizza in the food court and sitting next to a man who looked dejected. People having their hands in their face usually gives me that impression, eh. The Lord prompted me to ask him questions about his job, and after telling me his travels keep him from his family, I offered to pray for him, which he declined but listened to me as I shared about the love of God. That may not sound like an amazing testimony to share about healing, but Lord knows what kind of seeds may have been planted in his life as a result of some complete stranger sitting down with him in a mall and listening to him for a moment.

Getting back on topic with this dream; I’ve been seeking God and asking him about this dream, and if there was anything relevant about it other than making a point to me and giving me understanding about something, and he reminded me of how discouraged I’ve gotten listening to other people raining on my parade dissuading me from doing great big things for God.

Friends, when you decide to step out and do something for God, I’m telling you, Christians will be the ones to try to stop you. That’s not the whole point of this dream of course, but it sticks out in my mind how we had the tenacity of faith to go for it when everyone else in the dream said we couldn’t, then when we did what everyone else couldn’t, their minds were changed.

Don’t be surprised if you see the same reaction in those around you when you step out and change history in your own world.

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  • Chad Guiry’s Blog

    very cool, and interesting dream, and very true about other christians that try to bring you down with them

  • Chad Guiry’s Blog

    very cool, and interesting dream, and very true about other christians that try to bring you down with them

  • Corianne

    that is very cool. i really feel encouraged by what you wrote. I think you are soo right, also.

  • d

    Steve, I have to honestly admit that unfortunately I have that same ability to be one of those types of people, doubting any success in prayers for healing. BUT, a big but, I would never be one to say it out loud to someone praying. I would actually probably be one praying alongside, but quietly. Do I believe God can and does heal today? Absolutely! Do I believe he will do every time if either the person praying or the one being prayed for has enough faith? No. there’s the rub for me, I guess. I have to admit I’ve been jaded too and seen too many people 100% belive they will be healed only to die and other such things. I’ve even seen my kids pray when younger with child like faith and innocence, asking of relief from some terrible congestion or something so they could go to church or whatever and then only to get worse. I’ve learned, for right or wrong, that basically, either way, we have to just fall on knowing that God is good and his plans above our own. There are no real guarantees in these sort of things.

    Well, I’m just being real with you. Not saying your wrong. I’d like to believe it. I know my wife has dreams of delivering people on occassion and thinks that in the very end of days it will be like this as the spiritual battle will be so much more intense and the veil sperating the dimensions thinnned.

    -Duncan

  • Stevie B

    I don’t mind input like this, however, it sounds to me like you’re arriving at your conclusions based on experience and not the Word of God, which is our ultimate source of authority about anything.

    Even though this dream shared was about a deliverance from demonic spirits, the same can be applied to healing like I’ve written elsewhere before, and you’re bringing up here.

    Let me ask you something though: is it a matter of God “not” doing something when people don’t get healed after seeking him? Or is it ever possible there’s something on the human side of the equation hindering it? Let’s take this and apply it to salvation: If I preach the Gospel to someone, and they reject it or don’t believe it or simply have misunderstandings I never clarify, and they walk away without making a commitment the way the Lord tells them how to be saved–does that mean God ‘didn’t’ save them (ie God rejected them from having salvation?) And to add to that, if we would not believe He did that in salvation, then why do we have an easy time saying/believing He does that with deliverance and healing, and find ourselves in the church saying things all the time like “God won’t do it 100 % of the time” or “It wasn’t God’s will for so and so to get healed” when HE has never said He won’t or doesn’t, in the Word of God itself?

    One’s own faith has a tremendous part to play in what a believer will and won’t see God do. Mark 16 says “these signs will accompany those who believe”, and I’ve always said people who don’t believe [that those things will happen] will never have to worry about seeing them happen. (I too am just being honest).

    Thanks for commenting.

  • Anonymous

    “and I’ve always said people who don’t believe [that those things will happen] will never have to worry about seeing them happen. (I too am just being honest).

    -HA! No offense taken. Go ahead and challenge me. That’s what I love about your blog actually–your boldness in Christ!

    Yes, you’re right, I do tend to judge these things based off experience. I know for certain I’ve seen people have 100% faith and yet not been healed. We had a very dear friend/sister, who got breast cancer and firmly believed up even through her dying breaths she was going to be healed. She wouldn’t even go for chemo but only prayer and the laying on of hands but to no avail. Then there was the rather famous English Christian writer, David Watson whom my family knew pretty well, and was very instrumental in my faith. He got cancer and too firmly believed he would be healed yet he too died, leaving a widow with 4 young devastated children. Then too there was John Wimbur but I’m not so sure if he believed to such an extent as these two saints I mentioned.

    I guess I do have a problem with any inferrence that somehow it might imply that if someone wasn’t/isn’t healed it’s somehow that person’s fault. That can be potentially very damaging.

    My own pastor is like much like you and 100% believes in healing, that we all should ideally be well with no sickness, etc, and yet there he is bald too. I would contend that baldness is too the result of death (hair folicles) and the fall of man, just like all disease and infirmities are unfortunately. The same goes with aging and yet every Christian ages and every Christian is going to die of old age, if not before, right?! What is old age but the result of decades of being worn down and the eventual accumulation of infirmities having their toll over the years.

    Feel free to critique! Hey, it;’s your blog anyway! I’m just adding my 2c worth. I can certainly see your point of view, but I guess I would say with ‘most’ healing, it is just that, more someone’s translation of scripture over another’s, as opposed to it not being grounded in the Word of Truth. YES, we are indeeed healed by His stripes. But is that healing necessarily for now for our decaying bodies or as I would suggest, speaking more of our ‘spiritual’ healing we already have and the promised inheritance that comes after death? We know too that Paul had some thorn in his flesh which well could have been a physical ailment and yet he had great faith to suffer through so many travails in joy but was apparently never delivered of this ailment, whatever it was.

    Anyway, I hope you understand where I am coming from even if you might think it is off base, perhaps. Take care,

    Duncan

  • Stevie B

    Duncan
    I don’t have time necessarily at the moment to get around to it, but I will post an entry relating to Jerry, a guy who two years ago I was in healing rooms ministery praying for every Tuesday, who died of his cancer. I will go into detail about what his death did and why in terms of STIRRING ME up in the area of healing, instead of discouraging me like it did many others (and even ended the healing teams at FIRE for a while as many ‘un volunteered’ from it after that funeral.

    However, I strongly disagree with the popular sacred cow that Paul’s thorn was a sickness. Why–context and what he actually says in that chapter of 2 Corinthians. Click here for a detailed study I did on it, in three parts (here is the link to part 1, and then at the end I always link to the next one: http://fierycanadian.blogspot.com/2005/03/pauls-thorn-in-flesh-part-1-messenger.html)

  • davidh

    One quick question, not that this destroys any theology or anything, it just shows sickness not being healed in the NT. Why did Paul leave Trophimus sick in Miletus?

  • Stevie B

    Davey boy:

    One quick question, not that this destroys any theology or anything, but did Paul leave any unsaved people in Athens after preaching the Gospel to them?

    For one thing, it’s *one sentence* in the Bible and any attempt to make solid conclusions is foolish.

    For one thing, we do not know:
    -What Miletus was sick from
    -How many times Paul tried to heal him of said illness.
    -If someone else prayed for this man later, and saw him get healed.

    There is NOTHING ELSE said about this whatsoever. All we are given, is one sentence mentioning something in passing at the end of an epistle. Any attempt to explain the situation beyond that one statement would out of necessity involve adding things to the Scripture that it doesn’t say in order to fill in the blanks we are missing.

    So, to sound like a politician, I have no answer in either pro healing or anti-healing directions. I just know when not to come to conclusions when I don’t have enough evidence to. If there are any lurkers tot his blog smarter than I who have a SCRIPTURAL answer about this Trophimus in Mletus, feel free to chime in.

  • Anonymous

    How Jerry’s death actually stirred you up would be really interesting! I’d love to read it.

    Didn’t know that the thorn being ‘sickness’ was in vogue. you may well be right.

    So, what do you think abou the whole aging factor? Surely if we are to live healed (healed physically by his stripes, etc.) none of us would even age, and so forth?

    I think you’re right abou the ‘Miletus’ story. There just isn’t enough there to solidly conclude anything theologically from it. For that matter, I would say that same logic applies with interpreting the Prayer of Jabez too into some sort of theology.

  • Stevie B

    Well, I just wanted to post a dream to motivate and encourage people to GO for it, and not be held back by the disapointments of the past or others.

    Some of the questions asked seem to me as though they’re rooted in unbelief and coming up with excuses so as not to ponder this stuff more seriously. It’s like Christians will cocoon themselves with knowledge so as to not have faith for things.

    I have limited internet access at home (not “limited”, as much as limited access to the computer) and have to take my laptop to certain corners of my parents house where wireless internet barely comes in. I study and write blogs from my laptop.
    I don’t mind looking into things that people ask, especially when it’s a topic I burn with and don’t mind. But seriously Duncan, “if we are to live healed (healed physically by his stripes, etc.) none of us would even age, and so forth?” is really lame.

    For one thing, we age the instant we come out of the womb–even in it–unles you don’t think growing is related to aging. So much comes to mind scripturally about Jesus coming into the form of a baby and “growing old” into adulthood. Or us being fashioned in the womb. Etc.. Only one other time in my life have I listened to someone say to me if healing is for today, then none of us would die (or age).

    Off the top of my head while I have a moment at this computer: for one thing, that’s a misguided assumption God never intended us to age or die. Scripture says God has numbered our days, and things like in the Psalms when it talks of living out our days—assume we have a lifespan God has ordained. What about the Proverb that says grey hair is a sign of a man’s wisdom or glory or something like that–do children have grey hair?

    There is limited or no Scripture supporting the idea God takes us home via cancer, sickness, diseases, etc and leaves behind 3 young kids as orphans and a widow as a result of it! The devil seeks to kill , steal and destroy.

    God takes us home when it’s our time, the devil seeks to kill, steal and destroy, and he will try taking people out. We are in a war, remember. But if you’re serious with your aging process question, I hope my blunt honesty doesn’t put you off. I just don’t care to spend much more time writing posts or answering questions about it when I could write about other stuff. I regret saying I’d write about Jerry’s death, because I don’t know when or how soon I will get around to it, but one day I’ll make sure to have done it. But I just intend on going into more detail than just saying “it stirred me up more instead of less.”

    Anyway, I hope I didn’t come across as rude, I just never gave some of these a thought as I think they have nothing to do with the price of tea in China sometimes.

    Blessings, and thank you Duncan for continually reading these blog posts.

  • Anonymous

    Hey no prob. I don’t want to drag this out for you but i would like to add my 2c. Yes, I was serious about aging! Right, I do think it is God ordained for us to age and I love your grey hair scriptural reference. I guess though I would think that if we are really physically healed by his stripes we would age but not die weak or of some complications from illness as most people do when old. Maybe I’m not communicating this well. I guess I see that as God ordains death he uses sickness as a part of that process for dyting! There really is a point of having to trust him through our infirmities.

    Now, yes, maybe all sickness is not directly given by him but from the fallen world, the enemy or whatever, but I do believe he uses it to stretch us, grow us in faith and for us too be like him, partakers in His suffering. In that sense it is part oif his plan oftentimes. I know that many times I;ve grown from such infirmities where I bleive God has allowed it for me to slow me down and to listen to him, etc.

    To your other point, I know some do indeed use things as excuses to not ponder thing more seriously but that is not the case here. I have over the years been very open to healing and certainly have seen my own wife supernaturally healed of bipolar terrible manic depression when saved, etc–and we knew it was demonic in nature. I alwyas pray for healing when my children are cik but yes,I don;t always bleive he will necessarily heal it adn sure enough he doesn’t, regardless of whether person being prayed for has enough faith for it or not. Now sometimes he heals when there is no faith frorm anyone involved at all. Go figure!

    However, I just don’t now think that if we have enough faith we would be free from all sickness, etc. I think that is all part of the wouldn’t be surpirsed if Jesus didn;t get sick too at times, afterall he suffered as we suffer in all otehr ways, except by deliberate sin.

    There’s still a part of my open to your interpretation and thus I ask the questions honestly and read a blog such as yours. But I guess too it will take more for me now to fully heartedly embrace something that could imply blame on those who don’t get well due to their lack of faith! Seems blamin, cruel and vitimizing. That just doesn’t ring true to me for all scenarios. So, yes, in that sense I am indeed unbelieving to some extent to that ‘interpretation’ (if you will) of scripture.

    BTW, no request to answer now, just offering my closing thoughts.
    I’m going to go now and enjoy some of that Chinese tea. LOL!

  • davidh

    Ok good point but I think there is something really important missing in this discussion.

    authority

    Do we have all authority to heal the sick? If so, then that is the difference between healing the sick, and leading someone to salvation. Sure Paul didn’t save everyone in Athens (Although as a side note I was on a missions trip in Greece this summer and to this day they have his sermon on a big metal plaque at Mars Hill where he preached it, so people can still be saved from that sermon two thousand years later!) but Paul didn’t have authority to say “Be saved in the name of Jesus Christ!” If he did then his ministry would be so easy. As soon as he started getting persecuted he could just start commanding salvations.

    So I guess my question is, how much authority in healing do we as believers have? and where does the bible agree with your answer?

    not trying to be accusatory, I just honestly don’t know much about this whole subject.

  • Stevie B

    David
    I’ve got a link to the right hand column, that says “Divine Healing Related Material”. If you’d like to read more on the subject, then what I suggest is you give it a good persual because I believe I’ve covered much of this in other entries I’ve written, which can be found there.

    Otherwise, I have less time on my hands at the moment to sit down and answer some things that I’ve already answered in past entries in that link. You could always ask Brian Parkman one on one down there in person some of these things. That’s what I used to do.

    For now, Steve

  • amy

    Wow, lively discussion! Steve, I have always appreciated your willingness to dialogue about things like this and knowing why you believe what you do.

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